Friday, January 25, 2013

The Golden Dawn Debates Ii Nick Farrell And Sam Scarborough Vs Robert Zink On Astral Initiation

New Age marketer, Robert Zink today wrote on his EOGD blog:"The mystical community was amazed like a stream doorway to prove that astral initiation is not defendable failed on sundry blog...I conscious a better creative path of the HOGD/AO would straightforwardly be to donate astral initiation. They are already provision the type materials in a garage sale machinery difficulty format. This is consciously distinctive from The Out-of-the-way Rank of the Blonde Leave, which provides secretive astral initiation to society who cannot travel to a shut down temple."No matter what Bob Zink's fabrication, the Rosicrucian Rank of Alpha et Omega, and our outer walls order the Solid Rank of the Blonde Leave, in fact claim never been handing out grades delight a garage sale machinery. In fact, our program of study is the maximum pitiless of any Blonde Leave order, for example, dissimilar other Blonde Leave directions, our members learn and practice the revered unusual R.R. et A. C. magick already our outer walls order, the Solid Rank of the Blonde Leave. I individually hang on that the HOGD/AO is the best and maximum follow up school of ritual magic that exists in the world today.

The HOGD/AO bulk harshly steady to calm down and compact in the Blonde Leave community. Hence, regardless how countless old misrepresentations and attacks on our order Bob republishes, he is departure to claim salary his "one man flame war" all by himself. This does not mean, at rest, that our order hand down not at lowest amount disprove Bob's attacks. As Bob continues to recycle old misrepresentations, we hand down straightforwardly recycle old refutations as well.

Let us, in this fashion, examination what Blonde Leave scholars claim designed about the New Age initiation Bob Zink fictitious to replace traditional Blonde Leave initiation, that Bob calls "astral" or "desire hiatus" initiation. Scholars claim methodically challenged Rob Zink to conduct in resounding chat and to back up his idiotic claims about New Age "astral" initiation. Considerably, he a short time ago repeats his foreign language points greater than and greater than, "downy ad" difficulty, delight a at the back night "Million Money Bob" industrial.

In a nutshell, Bob Zink claims that, for a pond 200, he can wave his magic wand and, "Poof!," make you a "full Blonde Leave opening" from the hush of your living room arm supervise.

In an old register, "Juggle Senses to Hear the Resolved about Astral Initiation, Bob Zink over set forth his whole gamut of foreign language points and wierd claims about "astral" initiation. Let us review how Bob's claims claim been refuted by comprehensive scholars from agilely the revered spectrum the Blonde Leave community.

Bob Zink wrote:"Stage is no supreme of [MacGregor Mathers] wandering to Germany to be initiation from the continental adepts! He was either self-initiated like give to were no continental adepts of the Rose Out of sorts, or He was Astral Initiated...... MacGregor Mathers and Monia Mathers... initiated Astral Initiation in the Joined States hastily at an earlier time MacGregor death and Monia Mathers carried it out for countless verve."Robert Zink has been challenged, greater than and greater than, to achieve even a separate shred of history declaration to support these strange assertions. Blonde Leave scholar, Samuel Scarborough, at rest, writes:"I conscious of in my opinion as everything of a scholar on the GD as well as a severe follower of the GD aspect. The enormously can be designed for Scratch Farrell or Imhotep, or an assortment of others that say that these astral initiations are not verifiable, nor were they done in the unusual Blonde Leave or Alpha Omega or Stella Matutina at what time the 1903 Schism in the yardstick judgment. Stage is no declaration for "astral" or long-distance initiation from inhabit orginal bodies. I get sidetracked with confident groups that storage space that these astral (long-distance) initiations were everyday within the unusual Blonde Leave. I claim never seen any declaration to support such a storage space. Nor can I conscious that Westcott, Woodman, and Mathers standard some astral initiation as founders of the GD in the highest place either."Noted magical originator, Scratch Farrell (Leading Skillful of the Magical Rank of Aurora Aurorae), writes:"If astral initiation was cast-off within the Blonde Leave give to would be some declaration of it... If an astral initiation was taking place after that where and like and why did it not confidence a line of paperwork? Stage are no archives of astral initiations get-up-and-go performed, nor any members who are famous as get-up-and-go part of the Blonde Leave who had their initiations astrally recorded. Nor is give to any mention of the venture get-up-and-go cast-off in the atypical editions of by-laws, nor any journal transcript from self saying that they had lovesick part in an astral initiation. Having the status of we claim entrance to countless distinctive GD rituals, give to are no recorded information for how to perform one."Bordering, Robert Zink writes:"If Long Faraway Restorative works after that the enormously logic applies to desire shy initiation. Our little brethren of the Rose and Cross-often did healing and give to is energy written that it was song in suppose. Stage astral abilities were recurrently directed at the whole world, or areas of go into battle or sickness. If Restorative can be done desire shy, after that so can initiation...... it would be loopy to hang on that the enormously Rank that teaches magic that can trouble time and space in different ways, teaches that initiation must be done within a juvenile captive space or a rented Masonic lodge? This is not very logical."Unsuited to Mr. Zink's straw man bother, no one has ever disputed that Blonde Leave initiation has an astral fraction. Like all true initiates understand and that Mr. Zink fails to take on, at rest, is that the astral structure is rooted in the physical structure. In true Blonde Leave initiation, the astral structure is unnatural by a assume of energies from the physical structure of the Hierophant to the physical structure opening physically publicize in the enormously room. To bout that this can be wide-ranging "from the hush of your arm supervise, adherence tube on the other end of the world" is a ploy manifest and simple. Let us review what other Blonde Leave scholars claim designed about this way.

On Scratch Farell's blog, Polimetis wrote:"Scratch. You know how EOGD eternally argues that and Initiation is not Theatre and is all about the astral (forgetting, as you say, the gist of basic psycological and stimulating impact!)? Slender, actually, ancient Fool around copmes attentively from the Dyonisian and Eleusinian Mysteries, and Heartbreaking Festivals continued to a sacred utter and a sacred go for the Athenians, which is, actually analogous to intiation ceremonies (massively masonic high degrees where song a few of the candidates drama, and maximum are quite good onlookers!). I bet no one in ancient Greece may well say that if the manager mentions the name of an Athenian neighborhood that was out of rural community, at an earlier time the perfomance of a Disaster, would 'astrally" go the awe and absolution that the theatrical production stirred, and the psycologically distinctly Catharthic effect of actually seeing the sacred perfomance!"Bordering, Robert Zink writes:"Not one and all is solid a physical Brow nor can free the incriminate of attending a physical Brow. Indigence these society be not permitted from the Light of Initiation here the Revered Miseries?"On the subject of Robert Zink's storage space that "Astral" Initiation helps inhabit who would rather than not be handy to collision the spirit of the order, Scratch Farrell responds:"So in due course we come to (the) rule... that (Astral initiation presumably) provides a suppose with a link to a working group that they would not rather than had. This is passionately true, but in my look out any fraternity would feel to be administrative logically than spiritual. A real initiation takes place like the suppose is prepared."Robert Zink continues:"The incriminate of 5 initiations at an earlier time one can be invited here the Inner Rank is disorderly for someone on a cutback. The middle in the opposite direction trip air fare is about 500.00 the incriminate of Hotels hand down bring this up to about 800.00 and after that give to may be the incriminate of a rental car, add sundry 200.00 Father sustenance. So each trip to a temple hand down incriminate about 1000.00 or better."This is grossly inflated and deliberately deceptive. In the HOGD/AO, we allow initiates to secretive their type work one type at a time, and if prerequisite for fiscal reasons, to make song one trip to a physical temple arena to be all of their type initiations at in imitation of previous to doorway here the Specially Rank. Robert Zink knows this.

Then why is Robert Zink is frantically maddening to convince you that his New Age "Astral" initiation is as good as the real McCoy? Like he requirements to line his pockets with your money!

Efficiently, Bob Zink shares the belief that P.T. Barnum in imitation of proclaimed: "There's a easy target innate every minute!"

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