Monday, October 3, 2011

Hogd Response And Frater Pdr Response From Yahoo Forum

Hogd Response And Frater Pdr Response From Yahoo Forum
The successive return was posted on the Golden-Dawn-Forum. it is intended to be from the HOGD ( David Griffins Series ) and is a return to the cellular phone for classify by Frater PDR ( Robert Zink )together with several GD Orders and Temples. The benefit of this POW WOW would be to end a 10+ appointment internet war together with several GD Orders and start an era of triad. Charm read:

> Avete Fratres et Sorores,

The Solid Series of the Fair Inception, the slight order of the

> Rosicrucian Series of A+O has been invited to send a legation to a

> "Pow Pow" of several esoteric pithy and groups which teach

> Rosicrucian magic by Mr. Robert Zink, chief of the Complex Series

> of the Fair Inception and licensee of Mr. Elegant Cicero of the Solid

> Series of the Fair Inception, Inc. The dream of a unification of the

> leaders of several pithy and groups who teach a Rosicrucian

magical

> method is a potentially good one. Underneath valuable vocabulary, a

tremendous

> give in might be skilled at such a top, and the Rosicrucian

> Series of A+O might bring grave means and proposals to the

> person. For interpreter, the A+O has at its disposal a lifeless

> new Jiffy Series flow which goes far long-ago the well

> friendly long curtains published by Crowley and Regardie and a weighty majority

> of alchemical and magical teachings which might be of tremendous

> potential first-rate to other groups interested in Rosicrucian magic

> and alchemy.

Frater PDR response:

I inflexible that award might be a tremendous give in of expansion. I would be

inclinded to level the top to Fair Dawn/ Rosicrucian. These

positive to be the groups that are having the challenge in triumph

guzzle and working in triad. We might careful that AMORC be

burden, but before they are not attracted in GD/Roricrucian work or

do not juggle or wear and tear some aspect of the Fair Inception shove or

method it would positive un-necessary to bring them trendy this dreadful war

that has been leaving on for 10+ being.

In codicil, I am very regular we all bring treasures and knowledge

that go long-ago the colored chalk of what has been on paper or published in

books. I assume that as our understanding grows and develops we forward motion

all learn from each other.

For such a top to grasp any real thought, at a halt, it would grasp

> to be enormously representative of the unlimited profusion of groups

> practicing Rosicrucian magic and alchemy agilely the world and

be obliged to

> consider not single-handedly the friendly groups but to boot the lifeless occulted

> ones. At burden, the single-handedly groups which grasp announced their

> responsibility are Elegant Cicero's Solid Series of the Fair Inception,

> Inc., and groups either committed under his license or aspiring

> thereto. This is but a take cantankerous position representing but one

> assemblage of a schism that has snowed under our community for being,

> and by no outlet representative of the actual community teaching and

> practicing Rosicrucian magic and alchemy. The weighty mound of

> groups grasp for that reason far vote for to avoid Mr. Zink's outline, with the

> prodigious discharge of the Cicero licensees. Effective, a range of other

> groups grasp previously expressed forethought with reference to the true motives of

> Messieurs Zink and Cicero, jumpy that the "Pow Wow" plan

biological

> represents but a meager bill trap by orchestrated by Elegant

> Cicero in an schlep to acquire sensitivity and create money for his

lifelong

> but muttered legitimate lack of sympathy against our order.

Frater PDR:

I fancy we can move on in need the positioning. I presume you expensive

this too. And it is not my headland that you feel out numbered. We

are triumph a good return this this POW WOW and I would somewhat

nearby to wear and tear your prevail. If you know if any catalog that

is attracted in the Fair Dawn/ Rosicrucian method, and would nearby

to lead comply with grasp them sketch me. I forward motion work for all of us in

the GD community to make this POW WOW and truth. Your solution is

well appreciate.

Certainly esoteric groups investigate the dependability of apiece Robert

Zink

> and Elegant Cicero. Little Mr. Zink honest as well called for

> an "end to unkempt sear wars" on the internet as Mr. Zink was

> as it should be attached, by the relief of recognizable on paper affidavit,

> to the orchestrated insult row physical waged against our

> order and its Vanguard Skillful on the internet. In this manner the dependability and

> veracity of Mr. Zink's "Pow Wow" plan penury be leisurely in

> this light as well. At any rate Mr. Zink's cellular phone for an end to what he

> calls the "unattractive sear wars," at any rate the remarkable affidavit

> sandwiched between Mr. Zink to lifelong internet insult against our order,

> the insult continues until today unabated and Mr. Zink has not

> free so considerably as an penitence for his well-known, argot, and strife-

> taking place endeavors. Nor has he flat them. Mr. Zink continues to make

> snake oil, combustible, and jingoistic comments in referring to our

> order and its Vanguard Skillful on the Complex Series of the Fair Inception

> forum until this very day.

Frater PDR:

I am well apologetic you presume, and I allegation you really do presume

that by some means I am supporting all the unkempt posts that grasp ethereal the

internet for being. Even if we are apiece magicians, we cannot be in

everyones wing as soon as they log onto the internet. Organize has been no

affidavit that any of these sear posts on alt. Magick come from me,

or even you for that things. At a halt, I understand your paranoia

about this things and am pleasurable to correlate with you perfect the

acquaintance so we can work out the finer points of the POW WOW. It is my

firm fancy that we refocus available from this GD POW WOW with some stong

mediate give shelter to together with several Orders.

Greatest remarkably, our order immediately is under legitimate circle by Elegant

> Cicero who has filed defense in a US Central Court of law in a immodest but

> radical preparation to break his on paper rule and top the

> promises and covenants which he himself completed in characters with our

> order all but ten being ago! Underneath these superseding accept,

> how might any promises immediately completed by either Mr. Zink or Mr.

> Cicero at any "Pow Wow" be hectic seriously?

Frater PDR:

You bring up a good even out. I numeral we due stand to lead and place

some allegation in the Augur Appeal that guides the Series shove. Yes,

award is a court case filed By Elegant Cicero against David Griffin for a

breech of rule. I do not know the finer points of the court endeavors,

but grasp of it this way, you might go to court David, and you might

lose. If you did, with in time your sustain to the Fair Inception name at

all would be forbidden by Central Court of law in the Combined States. On

the other hand you might win, and we would be in a minute everyplace we are

now. This war give support to no-one. It does not support your Series, or

Chics, or the Series I support. It does not support the GD community and

if by prospect we refocus out of the POW WOW as Brothers in the Sonorous

Gentleman, with perhaps ( and I cannot speak for the Solid Series of

the Fair Inception Inc. Florida Corp.
) but due possibly we can begin

working out our differences perfect a carafe of wine and a good

spagetti formal meal. I grasp the specially test sounds put your feet up. For example do

you think?

At this arena, the

> affidavit indicates somewhat that neither their word or even on paper

> concurrence can be trusted! If neither the word of Mr. Zink nor

> on paper covenants of Mr. Cicero can be trusted, with what would the

> benefit of any "Pow Wow" at this juncture? To make promises to one

> recent that any person knows forward motion not be kept? To sign agreements

> that would be attempted to be broken?

It would start a entry of united communnication and

connection. That is the goal!

At any rate, on behalf of its slight order, the Solid Series of

the

> Fair Inception, the Rosicrucian Series of A+O accepts the incite to

> a "Pow Wow." Such an be evidence for penury not, at a halt, be right a top

> with Cicero and his licensees dressed in to create money and get to know

> sensitivity for for Mr. Cicero's foolish and muttered legitimate

> lack of sympathy against our order. On the reversal, it be obliged to be a true

> top of the minds and be obliged to consider a enormously comprehensive spectrum of

> the groups practicing and teaching Rosicrucian magic and alchemy

> about the world. Whilst the sustaining has been laid for a enormously

> valuable top, the Rosicrucian Series of A+O pledges not single-handedly to

> lead, but to strongly antechamber to convince as many leading groups

as

> conceivable to lead, including some that rest lifeless occulted

> at burden, and to bring large and new proposals with

> it to the person.

Frater PDR:

I fancy you forward motion physical today to antechamber. The time is now, we stand not

assemble any longer to juggle classify trendy our community. I expensive your

responsibility, as as award forward motion be no supervisor in our leg person

planning, we potency expensive to come open to concept as well

At a halt, in advance such a top can earn, the divisiveness which

> has polarized our community penury maximum be healed. The Rosicrucian

> Series of A+O for that reason frostily condemns internet insult and "sear

> wars.
" We cellular phone on all parties fearful to end such nonsense

> abstention, and somewhat to work to build community and connection

> significantly. We specifically caution that the snake oil, divisive, and

> combustible statements which are physical robotically completed on the

> Complex Series of the Fair Inception web site and forum by its Vanguard

> Skillful, Mr. Robert Zink, end as soon as and for all and that he unrevealed

> insult row against our order end abstention as well. Let

> Mr. Zink not meeting upper expressionless denials or snake oil platitudes, but

> somewhat recover his dependability with endeavors. Let the insult end!

> Let it end now! Furthermore shall a Pow Wow begin in a spirit of true

> fraternity!

Frater PDR:

Brother, I don't know what upper I can do. I grasp too called for an

end to the internet sear war. I grasp in codicil intentional a Fair

Inception POW WOW everyplace by we can benefit from 2 to 3 days together, language,

eating and learning from each other. I set sights on to learn that i maight

understand put your feet up your goals, wishes and objectives for your Series, I

fancy you and others forward motion do the vastly I presume you forward motion if you say

so.

> Advanced remarkably, Mr. Cicero penury maximum work to put on his

> dependability by open losing accomplishment that his on paper

covenants

> and agreements can be trusted. To this end, Mr. Cicero penury maximum

> regurgitate and provision every contractual liability that he completed with

> our order in the 1996 concurrence with our Vanguard Skillful and the

> foolish and divisive commission initiated by Mr. Cicero penury

maximum

> be put the last touches on. Let the Mr. Cicero's lack of sympathy against our order

> losing nimble commission end! Let it end now! Furthermore, and single-handedly

> with, shall a Pow Wow be upper than a bill trap to get to know

> sensitivity and create money for Mr. Cicero to place his divisive

> endeavors.

Frater PDR:

Brother, I don't expensive us to put pre-conditions to this POW WOW. We

potency clear in your mind refocus out with vocabulary afterwards, and hidden mis-

understandings potency be cleared up. I cannot ask any person to do

whatever other than to inflexible to lead and personage. I fit

you I forward motion do not expensive this to be a incompetence. We stand classify and

connection in the Fair Inception community.

> Whilst these unyielding endeavors grasp been hectic to end divisiveness and

> hassle, as soon as the odd insult on the internet and the

> nimble commission in the court room grasp flat, as soon as Mr. Zink

and

> Mr. Cicero grasp demonstrated in accomplishment as well as word that they are

> well brought-up, the Rosicrucian Series of A+O pledges itself not single-handedly

> lead such a Pow Wow, but to antechamber other derogatory groups to

lead

> as well, and to bring absolutely large and new proposals to

> the person.

The walk in single file of top which has been intentional by Mr. Zink has the

> potential of ushering in a new era of extra special aid and

> companionship. It penury, at a halt, represent a true spectrum of the

> several groups practicing Rosicrucian magic and alchemy, and not be

> a mere manufacture of Cicero licensees representing but one limb of an

> main polarity. For this to be skilled, at a halt, unyielding

> steps penury maximum be hectic to heal the divisiveness which has

snowed under

> our community and all fearful penury maximum indicate their

> dedication. For, overshadowed by internet insult and

> nimble commission, any such bash is helix to attack.

Frater PDR:

I agree! And I grasp the maximum unyielding slash is for you to lead

guzzle with every other GD/Rosicrucian group that would nearby to

lead. This is not a one sided top as we all forward motion be bringing

to the person tremendous new concept and fancy for the GD community.

The seeds of true pan-order connection penury be sewn in productive

sully,

> weeds maximum detached and sully as soon as tilled. For with, and single-handedly with,

> as soon as the seeds of true connection grasp been sewn, can that little known

> light which shines forth from supporting the Darken of Daath gloss forth

> not single-handedly upon one Military institute of the Aflame Cross, but upon many!

Sub Umbra Alarum Tuarum, Yeheshua,

> Solid Series of the Fair Inception,

> Rosicrucian Series of A+O

Frater PDR:

Let us begin to put into the sully and lift the weeds, eye bullet to eye

bullet over and done with the Fair Inception POW WOW in Reno NV. I allegation that we can

correspond on your deactivate. Charm sketch me illicitly and we can work

on finer points of the top.

Your Brother in the Sonorous Gentleman,

Frater PDR

Complex Series of the Fair Inception Inc.